Hidden Commits in 4.3

[Durham Goode]

On 4/13/17 2:43 PM, Pierre-Yves David wrote:
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> On 04/13/2017 11:37 PM, Pierre-Yves David wrote:
>> On 04/12/2017 04:23 PM, Ryan McElroy wrote:
>>> I think the next step is for the community to officially figure out
>>> if this is a good direction to go in, however that happens.
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>> I had productive face to face discussion with multiple people in the
>> past couple a day.  Let us put all technical details aside and look at
>> the situation at the high level.
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>> The current tentacular discussions are the *gathering of three
>> different goals*:
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> There a was a secondary point I wanted to make. But I did not wanted to
> inflate the the size of the previous email too much.
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> The recent discussion *mixes multiple complex topics*. Complex both at
> the technical and UI level. It results in a *back and forth of
> interleaved discussion* *with people caring about different aspects*.
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> As a good symptom of that, I've read maybe 3 summaries of the situation
> and existing consensus by three different people in the last 48h. To me
> they seems to reach sightly different conclusions and outline different
> consensus. I'm not even sure how to interpret some ambiguity in them.
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> After discussion this further with Gregory, I think *we really needs to
> introduce more focus this discussion*. I know everybody are itching to
> bring up some topics, but we should agree on what is the *next most
> important small step we can take and focus on that*. Without trying to
> alter other aspects in the same go. Having a*small group of neutral
> moderators* to lead the discussion would help.
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> From the current state of the discussion, I think we should starts with
> a *restricted discussion about an alternative to strip*, /mutually
> exclusive with evolution/. I personally though local-hiding and
> obsolescence hiding could coexist until I read Gregory email. He seems
> to be raising valid concerns there.  When that topic is sorted out, we
> can move the discussion to something else, for example how they could
> coexist.
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> What do you think?


If we delete the "Interaction With Obsmarkers" paragraph of my proposal, 
it's effectively a proposal for an alternative to strip. Would that be 
an appropriate starting place for a alternative-to-strip discussion?  We 
could leave out it's interaction with evolve for now.