Discussion about Mercurial 4.8 Sprint

[Sean Farley]

Martin von Zweigbergk <martinvonz at google.com> writes:

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:11 PM Sean Farley <sean at farley.io> wrote:
>
>>
>> Martin von Zweigbergk <martinvonz at google.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 17:41 Sean Farley <sean at farley.io> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Martin von Zweigbergk via Mercurial-devel <
>> >> mercurial-devel at mercurial-scm.org> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Since there was no consensus in this thread, we discussed it in the
>> >> > steering committee. We decided to do it in Europe this time (i.e. the
>> 4.8
>> >> > sprint) since everyone indicated that they could make it there. We
>> also
>> >> > decided to do it Oct 12-14 and to do it in Stockholm. I'll send a
>> >> separate
>> >> > email to the list about that.
>> >>
>> >> I guess I'm really confused about this. In this thread, many people,
>> >> myself included, offered to help and even began the process of securing
>> >> a meeting location.
>> >>
>> >> Could you please provide insight on how the decision was made? Were
>> >> venue offers made privately?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No offers made privately (why do you ask?), the offers we had were on the
>> > wiki. Those offers were Tokyo, Lyon, and Stockholm. According to the
>> > availability table, everyone was able to come to Europe, but not everyone
>> > could make it to Asia, so we decided not to do it in Tokyo this time. The
>> > Lyon location was an hour or two further away from most locations and the
>> > Stockholm location (except from France, of course). So I proposed doing
>> it
>> > in Stockholm and no one objected.
>>
>> In this thread, we talked and made plans so far for some place in France
>> (either Paris or Lyon). The wiki page you mentioned is an opt-in only
>> notification and I haven't edited that page nor was I subscribed which
>> is why I asked about private offers. Not everyone on this mailing list
>> got those notifications... so, of course, no one objected because not
>> many of us even knew Stockholm was a serious contender.
>>
>
> I updated this thread saying that we'd updated wiki with availability for
> Tokyo and Stockholm. There wasn't much more than a mention of Lyon and
> Paris either, so I don't know why Stockholm would be less serious.
>
>
>> It feels like a decision was made without involving the rest of the
>> community that was already discussing this sprint.
>>
>
> I can understand that it felt that way, and I'm sorry about that. I suppose
> we could have decided only between Asia and Europe to start with and then
> updated the Availability table on the wiki to have Lyon/Stockholm columns
> instead (Paris didn't seem realistic given the small space). That would
> clearly have delayed the decision (by a week? two?), but perhaps that would
> have been fine given that the sprint ended up being quite late in the fall
> this time. At least I (I don't know about others) felt like it was better
> to decide something than to hear everyone's point of view, because I had a
> feeling we would not reach consensus even if we did.

I understand the need to make a decision. But this was making a decision
without presenting a clear timeline nor even presenting, you know, an
email saying what you just said above: that you're about to make a
decision and here are your current thoughts.

> Let's try to start planning next sprint earlier (soon), so this doesn't
> happen again.

This is side stepping the issue. After this experience, why would anyone
think their voice would be heard? Remember, it was people on the
committee that asked for more people to help out and voice their
thoughts.

Yes, I agree that planning needs to start earlier.

> By the way, you haven't added your name to the wiki. Will we see you there?

I haven't decided yet.
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