Discussion about Mercurial 4.8 Sprint

[Sean Farley]

Kyle Lippincott <spectral at pewpew.net> writes:

> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Sean Farley <sean at farley.io> wrote:
>
>>
>> Kyle Lippincott <spectral at pewpew.net> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Boris FELD <lothiraldan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I have also been in contact with Mercurial contributors, small
>> >> contributors and users from Europe. From what we heard, it's both a
>> >> question of time involvements and energy cost that is a rebuttal to
>> them.
>> >> It's not the same time and energy cost to make a 6 hours roundtrip
>> travel
>> >> to the neighboring country versus doing a 24 hours round trip and 8
>> hours
>> >> jetlag travel to Japan.
>> >>
>> >> I think the sprint is a great way for small contributors to be motivated
>> >> to keep being involved and sometimes become core contributors. It is
>> also a
>> >> great opportunity for wild users to discuss their workflows, ask their
>> >> questions and give us their feedback. I've met many of these European
>> users
>> >> and small contributor and would be sad to skip an opportunity to keep in
>> >> touch with them.
>> >>
>> >
>> > These same reasonings can be *for* having a sprint in Asia as well. :)
>> We
>> > have two regular contributors who regularly attend sprints that are in
>> > Japan already, and at least one more on the IRC channel that expressed
>> > interest in attending a Japan sprint because they're in Japan; they've
>> > never attended a Mercurial sprint before.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For community members who aren't accustomed to international traveling,
>> it
>> >> would be even harder for them to travel to a country with a different
>> >> money, a different language with more challenge to interact in a common
>> >> language and a different culture. This seems one of the core reason why
>> >> having sprints on different continents.
>> >>
>> >> I think start connecting with the Japan contributors and users is a
>> great
>> >> opportunity, I would just hope it would not be at the expense of the
>> >> European community which has been waiting for this sprint for a year. My
>> >> preference is to keep the next sprint in Europe and introduce a Japan
>> >> sprint with more concertation.
>> >>
>> >
>> > "which has been waiting for this sprint for a year" implies some
>> guarantee
>> > that we're going to have it in Europe every year
>>
>> Well, that's been the pattern for over 6 years so I have a bit of
>> sympathy for people assuming that.
>>
>
> Sure, but I've been saying since I've been attending them that we should
> have one in Japan, so this shouldn't be a huge surprise to anyone that's
> been at ones that I've attended (which is every one since Montreal, I
> believe) that this was likely to be proposed :)

I can see that, for sure, since I too have been requesting this :-) But,
for me at least, some of this is just common courtesy to our users in
Europe. Enough have spoken out (either to me personally or on this
thread) that I'm convinced we should do a full cycle (North America --
Europe) before adding another into the cycle.

It's hard to convey tone over text, so I'd like to say that I'm only
trying to open and facilitate this discussion and not try to push things
too hard.

>> [...]
>>
>> I don't think there's anything incorrect about your reasoning. I am just
>> trying to be conscious of the European contributors who have already
>> made plans for a European site. It doesn't seem fair to those who have
>> already planned based on the previous continent cycle.
>>
>
> Are there already such plans that have been made?  Expecting something to
> happen and planning for it to happen are slightly different.
>
> I'd like to find a way forward here that doesn't summarize as "Asia can't
> ever happen", because that's not fair to Asia contributors (including

Oh, no, I hope that's not the opinion that I've projected. I definitely,
definitely think we should enter Asia into the rotation.

> [...]
>
> I will note that my likelihood of planning two sprints in a row is pretty
> much null.  Since I'm the one pushing for a Japan (or other Asia) sprint in
> the first place, this likely means that I'd *not* participate in planning a
> Europe one if we decide Europe must happen in the fall for some reason and
> Japan will happen in the spring (and then North America in Fall 2019,
> presumably), so that I can save my sanity for planning the one in spring.
>   Someone else will need to plan it if it's going to happen in Europe this
> fall :)

That's entirely fair! I wouldn't expect nor ask someone to do that
at all. At the very least, I can help plan this European one but from my
understanding there are multiple people to also help share that burden.

> So, how do we move forward with deciding the location for this fall?

That is a good question which I do not know. I asked the person at
Logilab I spoke with (Marla) to chime in. I'm hoping that will help with
concrete ideas and suggestions but am not sure on the overall decision
making.
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